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Moon Under Water review

Jonathan Schofield does Manchester Confidential's first review of a Wetherspoons' monster and has an encounter with a mushroom

Date Published: 01/02/2010

Like Top Gear we frequently get criticised for reviewing the medium to top end of our chosen market. This is fine by us because it shows we're doing our job right. There really is very little to be said when writing about the 'meal deal, bacon sandwich and hot drink for £1.20' at the local sandwich shop.

The steak came medium rare as requested. The large mushroom with it came medium rare as well. This I hadn't asked for. The mushroom was uncooked in the middle. It was fresh as though just picked. I swear it gave a little squeak of 'ouch' and shifted slightly when I cut into it.

To critically judge you really need to be judging something that somebody cared about creating. Crap is crap, there are rarely nuances of crap.

But occasionally Confidential deigns to lower itself to reviewing the, to euphemise, 'better value' places. And some of these deserve praise: places such as Ning, Tampopo, Rice and Croma are models of their kind.

It's Big this Place


We've never done Wetherspoons though. With plans to create another 200 pubs to add to the existing 753 across the country, including a new one for Didsbury, we decided to sample the northern original: the Moon Under Water. So can the lovable-ish chain match up to a real local?

If you want pubs to impress then this place does on scale. Dropped into a former cinema, The Deansgate Picturehouse, it's a pub pulled and stretched to the outer limits of reason. In 1995 when it opened, Wetherspoons dubbed it the 'biggest pub in Britain': it might still be unless there's an aircraft hangar conversion somewhere.

Despite this scale, Wetherspoons have kept the place spick and span and given it the odd new paintjob too.

The ales are top class, as they are across the group generally. I had a guest ale from Dorset called Ammonite. Even in the lexicon of let's-be-wacky-with-beer names beloved of micro-breweries, this title is curious. Naming something to drink after a dry old fossil doesn't seem too clever. Yet this was delicious, a deep amber-coloured beauty.

The ammonite's a delight


The handy Wetherspoons guest ale list said ludicrously that it had 'undertones of chocolate and pine-emerging towards the finish'. Ludicrous but true. British ale is becoming more and more the distinctive UK food and drink product for which we can have boundless pride.

The menu is different. Unlike the variety on the ale list this seems drawn up by committee. It includes British basics playing the safe staples with 'foreigners' such as ciabatta, pasta and nachos.

I went for the 8oz sirloin steak (£8.99) with chips, tomato, peas and mushroom. The steak came medium rare as requested. The large mushroom with it came medium rare as well. This I hadn't asked for. The mushroom was uncooked in the middle. It was fresh as though just picked. I swear it gave a little squeak of 'ouch' and shifted slightly when I cut into it. Have a look at the picture.

I love raw mushrooms and often raid the veg cupboard and nibble on them between meals, so I wasn't too bothered. But it showed a slapdash attitude in the kitchen. As did the grim, over-cooked stale chips. The steak was a poor quality cut too, with a weird flavour that ran away as quickly as you'd put the flesh in your mouth. Seems you get what you pay for.

The Mushroom Under Cooked


Orwell's perfect pub name in glass


For pudding I had the Bramley apple, pear and raspberry crumble with custard (£2.99). This was all right. I'm not sure it was made on the premises but it was solidly sweet, with the correct textures and a nice mix of fruit.

Service was efficient rather than friendly. It was a comfortable experience apart from being sat in the endless main room of the old cinema auditorium.

And therein lies the problem with this chain.

All Wetherspoons are too big. It's their defining characteristic.

The pubs do so much right with regard to music policy, beers, bargain meals, expanatory literature, events and so forth but because the company needs economies of scale to make it all pay it loses a key pub essential, intimacy.

As stated above, the Moon Under Water used to advertise itself as the biggest pub in Britain which was totally missing the point. The most over-used pub adjective is 'cosy'. You can see why because a pub is a public house, a home from home. Cosy seems to fit despite its ubiquity. No Wetherspoons is ever cosy. Or intimate. Or a home from home. The Moon Under Water title comes from the writer George Orwell who thought it the perfect pub name and defined cosiness as one of key characteristics necessary in a British pub.

The old Deansgate Picturehouse facade


But this is British drinking Munich bierkeller style. It has its place, certainly in cities, but unless you're absolutely broke (and we all have been haven't we?) then a better pub experience is generally gained from genuine orginal pubs on tradional pub sites. And definitely better food can be had from many of them.

In some ways the company that Tim Martin runs is a great success and has also saved lots of landmark buildings in UK towns and cities from the wreckers ball but it's had to compromise the principles of what truly makes a pub.

There's the unintended consequence as well, those economies of scale allow Wetherspoons to undercut the prices in the smaller surrounding pubs which then struggle to survive. Thus the clone zone of the high street gets reinforced as those ultimate centres of maverick civic identity the pubs become another Clarks shoe shop, another Boots, with graduate training programmes and identikit menus.

Still that raw mushroom has given me an idea. Along with the clever Guest Ales List with tasting notes at Wetherspoons, won't someone do later in the year a Guest Fungus List, get maybe twenty varieties in, do a menu, serve 'em raw and cooked. I'll review that at any price.

The decent crumble



Rating: 12/20
Breakdown: 2/5 food
4/5 drinks
3/5 service
3/5 ambience
Address: Moon Under Water
68-74 Deansgate,
City,
M3 2FN
0161 834 5882

Venues are rated against the best examples of their kind: fine dining against the best fine dining, cafes against the best cafes. Following on from this the scores represent: 1-5 saw your leg off and eat it, 6-9 get a DVD, 10-11 if you must, 12-13 if you’re passing,14-15 worth a trip,16-17 very good, 17-18 exceptional, 19 pure quality, 20 perfect. More than 20: Gordo gets carried away


Steak medium rare


Old movie hall from below


 
 
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Anonymous
02/02/2010 09:47:21
So what's the scores on the doors then?

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Anonymous
02/02/2010 09:59:17
Talking of Wetherspoons, why is the Didsbury story still behind the pay wall, even though it was available to view free at first? Just wondering

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Didsbury Girl
02/02/2010 10:27:32
What about the Waterhouse? That has quite a nice feel to it?

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Jonathan Schofield - editor
02/02/2010 11:53:31
Scores left off like a fool. Up in five mins. Sorry.

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Agricola
02/02/2010 12:18:11
Yep they are all too big. All of them.

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Rob (the ergonomist).
02/02/2010 13:35:05
The other defining feature of Orwell's perfect pub, is that it is "as unobtainable as teh moon under water". It is an illusion, and doesn't really exist: when you try to obtain it, it vanishes. Not sure if this subtlety wasn't lost on the Wetherspoons' people.

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Johnthebrief
02/02/2010 14:11:15
The Waterhouse is a veryunusual Wetherspoons, in that although it's pretty big overall, it's divided into lots of smaller rooms so it doesn't feel like quite such an echoing shed.

I've only eaten at the Moon-under-Water once, a couple of years ago, at a corporate (although cheap!) do where they'd laid on a buffet. My memories are of a seamless range of options on a theme of grease.

As Jonathan says, you get what you pay for, and for £9 you're not going to get much of a sirloin. If you stay towards the lest elevated areas of the menu though (burgers, gammon steak etc) then Wetherspoons generally tend to be good enough, by their own standards. Atthe end of the day though, there are places, even in central Manchester, where you can eat much better for the same or less money, so the value argument rather falls flat.

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Agricola
02/02/2010 15:11:35
Ah the Moon under Water, the Dog in the Bucket, the Whore in the Kebab Shop...where are they, my pubs of yesteryear?

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PAUL
02/02/2010 15:33:21
"Spick and span" how are dirty ripped carpets and seats spick and span its a dirty shit hole that needs updating badly they should spend money on what they have rather than expand.

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Jonathan Schofield
02/02/2010 16:05:58
It was spick and span yesterday Paul. I was sat there looking it over.

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markm
02/02/2010 22:52:37
I must say that I quite like weatherspoons! When in the mood for stupidly cheap burger and a pint, £4.85 is a great price. Their beers are usually well looked after, and for the money the food is good. The food is prepared off site and microwaved/deep fried to set timings. You will always get your steak cooked how you like it, although the quality may not satisfy anybody who usually dines in a half decent restaurant. You get what you pay for, and Weatherspoons gives great value for money right at the bottom end of the scale.

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NorthernGeezer
03/02/2010 11:17:07
Its a great pub to go with mates if you want to get pissed. The currys not bad either, well after 5 pints it aint.

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christopher19777
03/02/2010 11:53:15
I think the Moon Under Water is a top place to go to start the night! But I agree with MARKM, "You get what you pay for" Simple!!! It can at night get messy for example sticky wet bar, sticky floor, carpets etc! But as I used to work in a wetherspoons many moons ago when I was a student, I can understand why you get the less than average service. People who work there just don't care! Their there to get money and thats it. As little as it is. Plus you get treated like morons by the management staff as they seem to have power trips! But on a whole Wetherspoons provide the very service they are there for! Cheap, efficent beer and food! Wetherspoons is the McDonalds of the pub trade!!!

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Anonymous
03/02/2010 17:11:18
no one surely expects to be intimate at the Moon Over Water. With a place that size its more like' Lets do in in the Road'. Unless you are a group of 150 you should stay away, and don't eat if you can help it... just enjoy the drinking the place dry if you can get served.

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Nik16
03/02/2010 23:01:42
U drink in Moon Under Water all day an get all day breakfast cuz is best in area. Gets intimate wur u can but outside is best cos get lost by machine

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