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Night & Day Dispute Goes On

Niamh Spence gets the latest on the Northern Quarter noise dispute

Written by . Published on June 2nd.


Night & Day Dispute Goes On
 

THE NOISE dispute between Northern Quarter bar and live music venue Night and Day and nearby residents has not yet been put to bed. Whilst the flurry of attention has quietened, the dispute still rages on.

"We really want to see the work we've been doing for over two decades to continue and for us to continue being a platform for musicians and showcasing great bands."

Confidential has covered the row in depth since it began in January 2014. From the initial petition (see here) to speaking to the complainant and council (see here), to reporting on the row going to trial (see here).

As the noise row continues and the three day court case is pushed back, we caught up with the complainant, Night & Day and an acoustic engineer...

Screen Shot 2014-06-02 At 04.24.04Night & Day's stage and noise levels are the point of contention

The complainant (anonymity remains) said:

"The court case to address the abatement notice is the next step, and one that Night and Day’s legal team has asked for a three day case for. There is no need for a three-day case, even the council have argued that there is no need for three days.

"The council's night team have continued to come out and we can confirm it has got worse. One inspector even had to leave because she got a headache, she'd never heard it as bad. It's so loud that you can pick out tracks through the walls.

"Night and Day objected when our residential buildings were put up in 2010. I believe they are going to check all the plans and contest that there was not adequate soundproofing put in place. We've seen the plans and there's no gap.

"Both sides have employed acoustic engineers to come out and measure sound levels. Night and Day wouldn't let our engineer in, we let their engineer into our flat but reckon they just turned the volume down as he recorded.

"An engineer from DBX Acoustics came on a Thursday evening and recorded from 7pm until 12:30am. When a band is on the noise levels go from 20 to 35 decibels. The engineer said it shouldn't be that high, the bass is the problem and it needs a limiter. I've even managed to record some of the noise on my iPhone (below), the engineer said a phone shouldn't be able to pick the noise up.

"I've contacted other venues including Band on the Wall, Soup Kitchen, the Ritz and Roadhouse, they go into residents homes themselves to take readings and check noise levels. They work with the residents, not against them. Why can't Night and Day do this? It shouldn't have got this bad. This isn't the first time they've had these complaints either. It's disgusting that they think they can continue like this.

"The court case will be heard in October, a year since my first complaint. This case has become so high profile and sensitive that it can't be an instant decision. I know the council did discuss seizing equipment but instead opted for a licence review.

"I hate living here now, we've contemplated moving but don't want to be bullied out of our home. Personally I, but not my partner, want to see their licence removed. My partner believes they're a good venue and can be shown how to work with the community, but I can't see it. It's like living in a prison, you can't get away from it.

"A recent article on Mancunian Matters has filled me with hope. Other residents living nearby have started to come forward too. I can't urge them enough to come forward and make their issues heard to the Council." 

Gareth Butterworth, promoter and booker at Night & Day, said:

"This is a stressful time for us as a venue. We really want to see the work that we've been doing for over two decades to continue and for us to continue being a platform for musicans and showcasing great bands. We want to continue working and promoting the community spirit of the Northern Quarter.

"Nothing has changed in what we do and we're very upset by this abatement notice. We're annoyed at the situation, it's definitely unfair and unreasonable. We have not turned the sound up, we have the same sound engineers and system we've always had. Anyway, if music is turned up too loud it sounds horrendous.

"DJs are not a new thing at Night and Day, we've always had them as do plenty of other bars and the volume is at an adequate level. This is the first official notice we have been served from the complainants block of flats.

"This is unreasonable, and it's unfortunately something that various other venues across the country are dealing with too. The Music Venue Trust is currently petitioning to have the Abatement Laws altered, so that disputes like this can't close small venues like us."

A message from DBX Acoustics, taking measurements on behalf of the complainant:

"Noise levels within the bedroom of the apartment when a 'noisy' band is playing increased by 10 dBA. In third octave bands, increases of 20-25 dB were measured for each third octave band between 40 Hz and 200 Hz (bass frequencies).

"Measurements have been made on multiple occasions and for different styles of music, including for bands where music was audible in the apartment, but not considered disturbing by the residents."

(dBA - an expression of the relative loudness of sounds in air as perceived by the human ear)

UPDATE 03/06/14 09:20 - Following the comments from both the complainant and the venue, Confidential has since received this information from August 2004 which suggests that, contrary to the statements, a similar noise complaint was received from the same residential block as far back as 2004. It appears the objection was dropped and that the venue had 'promised to made a number of improvements to reduce the noise' (see below).

UPDATE 03/06/14 16.44 - Night and Day have contacted Confidential to state that the 2004 complaint came from a building behind the venue, not from the current complainants building.

Screenshot from venue website 2004Screenshot from venue website 2004

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RMMANCJune 2nd.

To be honest, Night and Day Cafe need to get somebody else to speak for them. Gareth Butterworth seems to be having a very difficult time with the truth. 1. They have turned the volume up, it has been witnessed & there is a lot of evidence to confirm this. 2. The DJ music went dramatically up in the past couple of months to the same level as the live music. You could hardly hear it before but now it is (as one acoustically trained member of the council's night team described it) "Horrific" 3. The Music Venue Trust is trying to get the abatement laws changed for BOTH small music venues and Residents. It would not help Night and Day as they have abused their position in the NQ, they have refused to work with the community or the council and they are clearly in the wrong. Finally... 4. Gareth is lying when he says "This is the first official notice we have ever been served" ... they were served an official notice in 2006 for "noise issue" It really does need to be made clear, Night and Day Cafe bar are in NO danger of closing down. If they have a limiter put in and the volume is returned to what it was, all of this situation will be resolved and it would NOT damage their business. If other live music venues in Manchester can work with the community and have limiters, why won't Night and Day?

AnonymousJune 2nd.

It must be frustrating being a resident that's being affected by this, but I agree with what Lord Sir Tony Wilson OBE once said about city centre living www.youtube.com/watch…

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MarkJune 2nd.

Thanks for that whoever you are. Tony, I miss you.

AnonymousJune 2nd.

"It's like living in a prison, you can't get away from it". Well you can, but as you already indicated in the preceding comments, this has now become little more than a personal dispute and trying to 'win'.

AnonymousJune 2nd.

Noise like this should be severely restricted if the city centre is to develop as a place for a diverse, stable community to develop, an amenable, long term home for people of all ages. The present community seems to be almost a ghetto of the young who will have to move away to live a normal family life, to be replaced by the next generation of pop music and trendy bar enthusiasts.

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AnonymousJune 2nd.

A busy city centre is always going to attract a younger demographic - I don't see it as likely (or, to be honest, particularly desirable) to have a significant change in the atmosphere to attract this 'diverse' community. There are far more significant issues (lack of amenities, green spaces, etc) that would need addressing before any great number of people considered Manchester city centre as a place to bring up a family.

RMMANCJune 2nd.

I think "severely" restricting noise is a little too far. It just needs to be made sure certain places don't get carried away with their own sense of self importance and believe they can do anything they want because they were there before the residents.

AnonymousJune 2nd.

There are repeated calls from planners and environmentalists to make own town and city centres diverse, living communities, in order to use up brownfield sites and vacant shops and to reduce the need for CO2 producing commuting and more suburban sprawl. That's not going to happen if such places are set aside for the small fraction of the population which likes loud pop music and loads of bars. The onus should be on pop fans to find venues which do not affect the quality of life for others, not on everyone else to fit in with their fleeting, youthful taste for loud pop music.

Alex24June 2nd.

I do agree that the city centre population needs to (and I think it will) represent a wider demographic over the coming decades. Any great European city (Paris, Lisbon, Copenhagen, Madrid etc), is a place where young and old alike can live out their lives. Manchester still has a long way to go on this front with too many out of towners seeing the centre as nothing more than a funfair to wreck at weekends. I think this is where N&D has found it's vocal support from with the worrying numbers who supported their juvenile petition. Noone who lives in Smithfield Building would expect a quiet life- the issue was always N&D breaching agreed noise regulations to an excessive level. It wouldn't be accepted in Paris or New York so why should it be accepted in Manchester?

RMMANCJune 2nd.

The residents aren't taking N&D to court. It is N&D taking the council to court. Why should any of the residents HAVE to move because ONE venue thinks it can keep turning the volume/bass up higher and higher?

AnonymousJune 2nd.

Do Night and Day cafe bar really expect us all to believe they have had the same sound system for the past 23 years and they haven't changed a thing? Methinks they are telling porkies lol

dBx AcousticsJune 2nd.

Just to clarify some of the technical data. Noise levels within the bedroom of the apartment when a 'noisy' band is playing increased by 10 dBA. In third octave bands, increases of 20-25 dB were measured for each third octave band between 40 Hz and 200 Hz (bass frequencies). Measurements have been made on multiple occasions and for different styles of music, including for bands where music was audible in the apartment, but not considered disturbing by the residents.

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EditorialJune 2nd.

Thanks. We'll add this to the piece.

AnonymousJune 3rd.

If you're not careful dBX, you'll end up being Mike Stigwood ;)

RMMANCJune 2nd.

I notice Manchester Confidential have changed the statement Gareth made "This is the first official notice we have ever been served" ... Did you make a mistake or have N&D ordered you to remove it?

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EditorialJune 2nd.

Small mistake by the writer. We noticed and amended. Thanks. Editorial.

AnonymousJune 2nd.

saying that, it is still strange that Night & Day keep making a point of saying they haven't had complaints or notices from next door as opposed to the ones from buildings further away from them. Do they honestly believe saying that, helps their case? ... oh and they HAVE had complaints from next door

Mark.June 2nd.

Manchester isn't just about music and clubs. More respect needs to be shown for people who live and work in the city.

MCJune 2nd.

That sound recording sounds like you are in the toilet in the venue, not in a building external to the venue. Its ridiculous.

AnonymousJune 3rd.

If you want peace and quiet, live in Bramhall - don't bring Wilmslonian values to the heart of Manchester City Centre. It's like moving to Chorlton and complaining there's too many children. These bars and pubs were here long before your identikit apartments. Take your NIMBYism and stick it where the sun don't shine.

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

No one is saying they want peace and quiet, however we are all entitled to a decent quality of life, and when you have to put up with this sort of noise, when you have reasonably objected to it, it is a piss take.

AnonymousJune 3rd.

It seems that I was right in my thought that there is far more to this story than N&D were presenting all along. Shame on you N&D, work with people not against them, including your neighbours and the council. The world is not out to get you, you just have to play nicely with other humans.

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Typical pro N&D response. Can any of you actually make a comment that doesn't contain a false analogy or abuse?

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RMMANCJune 3rd.

My comment was aimed at the anonymous post above the last anonymous post :-p

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Interesting update 03/06/2014: What strikes me most is that it shows that Night and Day have done all this before and most worryingly they clearly knew that the actions they have taken now would incite people to throw abuse and make threats of physical violence against the complainant, and yet they still went ahead with this immature campaign. Night and Day seem to think threatening to kill or physically harm someone, makes them a naughty excitable monkey. Disgusting!

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Night and Day haven't changed their sound system in any way 23 years? ... hmmmm www.manchestermusic.co.uk/…/archivelive.asp…

AnonymousJune 3rd.

I live in the NQ and have chosen to do so, as the apartment I live in was in my price range, the bills are included, it's central (as I don't drive) and it is close enough to my work to not have to shell-out on excessive public transport costs. It bothers me that people are so ignorant that they are still saying 'if you don't like it, don't live there' - I live alone, and I cannot afford to live anywhere else, and nor do I want to live with strangers. Living alone is expensive enough without adding on bus tickets and train tickets just to earn a living. I was aware of what I would have to put up with, noise wise, in the northern quarter, and when the bars near to my flat get too loud, I tell them, and we have a great relationship without hostility. What the N&D have to remember is that we are an integrated community that has to live together. Why does their music have to be so loud as to affect the lives of their neighbours? I can't remember the last gig i went to at the N&D that was a) at capacity and b) couldn't have had the volume turned down without affecting the quality of the performance.

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RMMANCJune 3rd.

Funny you should mention capacity, on their licence its says their capacity is 200 but on their new website they changed it last month to 250

Miz DeshannonJune 3rd.

This is all getting very confused between a venue who do have issues co-operating at times, and a much bigger council / government licensing issue where venues shouldn't have to change for residents who arrive in an area after they did.... Gareth has been there five minutes, and they're not using the same engineers at all. Facts facts facts. I do feel for both parties, this is quite out of hand.

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Mark.June 3rd.

The law is the law Miz nevermind who was there first. Have a read if you are unsure - www.legislation.gov.uk/…/contents…

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Irrelevant Mark - that act refers to noise from another dwelling not from a business.

JimtoJune 3rd.

To the tenants - Choose to live above an established and choose to live with the consequences. The people outside, the drunks, the traffic, the noise. Simple answer - move. You appear to be revelling in the publicity and 'grief' of the situation. There's plenty of other places to live. In doing so you might help keep the venue open, the press from your door, and the hair on your empty head. Where are the developers in all of this?

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

Nobody lives above Night and Day. The complaints are coming from all around the area. What evidence do you have the complainants are "reveling" in the publicity? Have you bothered to read the other comments on here or even the story for that matter. The only ones saying Night and Day are in danger of closing down are ... Night and Day.

RMMANCJune 3rd.

So far, only two comments pro N&D and both have not bothered to read the full story and both have thrown childish abuse

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Yes RMMANC, you don't like N&D. We get it.

AnonymousJune 3rd.

We all think you really need to leave the city centre if you don't like it though. - Liverpool maybe

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Who is we?

JimtoJune 4th.

Above / adjacent, the point remains the same. If you move, the problem goes away, and a precedent is not set.

JimtoJune 4th.

And how can this be anything but 'revelling'. Clearly the tenants enjoy this all very much! or they'd have just resolved their own problems and moved to one of the infinite number of other places to live nearby. I could completely understand if this was not there when they moved in, but the venue has been there for (probably) most of this tenants life. Choose to live around bars and clubs, and choose to live with noise.

RMMANCJune 4th.

Firstly, would YOU like to pay for us to move? Secondly, read others comments. The noise was turned up. many other residents have noticed it and have complained. With your logic, everybody should just move out. Live music venues should have no upper limit restriction and should do whatever they want. The tenants ARE NOT "reveling" and are NOT enjoying it. Finally you miss the main point that the court case is between N&D and the council. It is out of the residents hands. Nothing the residents do will stop this process.

AnonymousJune 4th.

'simple answer - move' Lend's £1000 to move then

AnonymousJune 3rd.

This RMMANC character is on every comments section of every article with regards to this situation, blethering the same old tired argument. Strikes me as a bit of a crusade...

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

Well, when N&D are bare faced lying, maybe they feel the need to actually balance this due to the largely one sided reporting so far? This particular blog is by far the most balanced I've read on this, especially given the 3/6/14 addendum, showing the mis-information N&D have so far sent out... #justsayin

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Awh bless, I guess you have an issue with one of the residents trying to get the truth out after all the lies from N&D. Not sure what your problem with that is but its obvious, from your comment, you are ALSO "on every comments section of every article" regarding this

AnonymousJune 3rd.

The venue was there first, the housing arrived later - so surely the housing should have been soundproofed properly during the build? It seems akin to moving next to an airport, then complaining about the noise of aircraft. There are hundreds of places to live in the city centre that are not a few feet from a music venue - there are not many music venues...

RMMANCJune 3rd.

There are quite a few live music venues all around Manchester, the housing WAS soundproofed. This has always been about N&D chancing their arm and turning the volume up

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

you say the flat you rent has been soundproofed. In what way? How do you know this? and can you prove it?

RMMANCJune 3rd.

The windows are soundproofed, the flooring. We had been informed the properties had been soundproofed... can you prove they haven't? The point still remains that volume went up in October. For the 6 months we lived there before that, there wasn't a problem

AnonymousJune 3rd.

it's you stating that it has been soundproofed - not me RNMANC. If you are unable to prove this - you should not be publishing these claims

AnonymousJune 3rd.

I am responding to those claiming the building isn't soundproofed, why do I have to post evidence to my claim but they don't?

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Last comment was me...

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Funny that you conveniently keep ignoring the point about the volume going up from October...

AnonymousJune 3rd.

RNMANC - quite simply because you posted it initially. why post something like this if you can't proof it?

AnonymousJune 3rd.

RNMANC - quite simply because you posted it initially. why post something like this if you can't proof it?

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

Look at the post above mine, I was replying to it. Why are you ignoring this FACT! and I can prove it, we have seen the building plans but as these may be used in court by the council, I am hardly going to post them up on here... and you STILL ignore the point about the volume going up...

RMMANCJune 3rd.

and again the last comment was me. Not sure why Manc Conf keeps defaulting to anonymous...

AnonymousJune 3rd.

RNMANC Anyone can request to see building plans under the freedom of information act. Unless you can publish something to prove otherwise, why do you make such claims?

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Now I know you are just being pedantic. You seem to think its fine for people who don't live in the building to come on here and say that it isn't soundproofed but when I, a resident who lives here, respond to say it is, you demand evidence. I suppose you want pictures of the triple glazing, etc? I will ask you one last time, why are you not challenging those who say it isn't and why are you ignoring my other points regarding volume?

DiamondStJune 3rd.

I am sick & tired of hearing about soundproofing & plans it's very clear that RMMANC -has said that the flat has been soundproofed & as another person who lives in the same building the volume levels have gone up over the year's from N&D and it can't continue like this. Again people are missing the point here N&D have a licence and it has conditions on that licence which say "Noise levels must be kept at a level which does not cause nuisance to nearby residential property. Why do people keep saying move are they telling us all to MOVE OUT! N&D need to work along aside the people what live here and not just think about themselves and making money. Venues can work with residents & that's what N&D need to see.

ShybaldbuddhistJune 3rd.

I love live music and i love being in the centre of town. I signed the petition, like many at the time. I now wish I'd waited until the truth come out. It's quite clear the people decided to live where they live and they'd put up with the pubs and clubs and the noise that comes with it, then the volume got turned up quite a lot more than normal. That's the issue, not who was there first or that people should put up with it if they live in a city centre. I'd imagine most people reading this who don't live in the city centre, but live near or close to a pub would be happy if there local installed a new sound system and turned the volume up 4 or 5 notched 2/3 times a week? It's no different. N&D are being out of order.

RMMANCJune 3rd.

In response to the UPDATE 03/06/14 16.44. It is very nice that N&D have taken the time to contact Manc Conf to say the 2004 complaint was from another building. So they are happy to confirm they have had complaints from multiple properties around them and it not just being a case of just one building.

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AnonymousJune 3rd.

You and your partner the complainant would certainly get more credit for not joining the conversation all together. One can only explain your and your partners’ behavior with a very strange perspective of reality indeed and underlying issues unknown to most of us. Given the fact that you troll on Facebook as “Louis Friend”, an anagram taken from “Silence Of The Lamb”, makes your strange behavior not less worrying. I feel deeply sorry for everyone who has to deal with you and your partner - in the past, at present and in future.

RMMANCJune 3rd.

Well that was a particularly nasty & vicious comment. Yes Louis Friend is anagram of "iron sulfide" or "Fool's Gold". It was a name I picked at random as we wish to remain anonymous, given the level of abuse & death threats we received from supporters of N&D. What is YOUR excuse for being anonymous? All I have done on FB is the same here. Try to get our side of the story across. It is ironic that you accuse me of being a troll whilst acting as a troll yourself. Oh and we are both the complainants and as is clear from the comments here, we are not the only ones who have an issue with the current situation. Take a look back through the comments on here. You and your nasty little attitude are the minority. I feel sorry for people like you Mr/Ms Anonymous

AnonymousJune 3rd.

I don't understand why people keep attacking the complainants. Have you listened to the audio recording? I live in the NQ too and I know I don't live in a blissful oasis, but I wouldn't want to hear that in my living room. I think if I did, I'd want to try to make people understand too. That's not trolling - it's defending yourself. Wouldn't you do the same?

AnonymousJune 4th.

Perhaps because said complainant is the first one to comment on every story, having yet another pop at N&D, before anyone else has even said a word? He is quite happy to say that N&D shouldn't have certain people making comment on this, yet gets mortally offended when the same suggestion is made to him.

RMMANCJune 4th.

Who have I said shouldn't comment? I have only pointed out that the pro N&D comments so far have only been abusive. I comment first because as the press have interviewed my partner, we are informed when it is going to be online. I am sorry if getting our story out upsets you in any way. If N&D make comments that are clear lies, am I not to challenge them? Others on here have challenged them but I don't see you having a pop at them... Oh and I am not mortally offended by the first comment in this thread. Are you the same anonymous person who made that comment attacking me and my partner?

AnonymousJune 4th.

Errm, Gareth Butterworth for a start. As per the very first post you made in this thread. Do keep up. And no, i've not made comments 'attacking' you or your partner.

RMMANCJune 4th.

No I didn't, read it again, I said Night and Day need to get another spokesperson because he has repeatedly lied. Something others on here have noticed. Oh and "do keep up"? Really? Like I stated before I was not "mortally offended" by someone saying I shouldn't comment. I was challenging a pro N&D who seems to think its fine to attack me and my partner by suggesting we have a mental disorder. Is that ok with you?

AnonymousJune 4th.

Just check your partners twitter account. It is public and one can only assume that at least his behavior is not the norm. I find it very difficult to understand why GOV UK or UK Parliament amongst at least 60 others would want to listen to the recording of your bedroom? That your partner thinks they are listening to it and go… wow poor guy, we really need to change the law…this should explain my worries about possible underlying issues. You made your point, you complained to the council and they took/take action. Don’t discredit yourself even further by letting your partner displaying more erratic and irritating behavior towards people involved or not involved in this. The argument that you have to get your side of the story out does just not stand up any more. You have lost a lot of support already don’t burn more soil.

RMMANCJune 4th.

If my partner wants to put out the recording to others on twitter, that is his choice and I fail to see how that makes you believe that WE have some sort of mental disorder. I see you still choose to be anonymous, we have a reason for that, what is yours? Where is your evidence that we have "lost a lot of support" by putting out our side on comments section like this? I haven't seen one comment from anybody saying they supported us at first but changed their minds when they saw us defending ourselves on social media... in fact, I HAVE seen that on the N&D's side

AnonymousJune 3rd.

41 Comments and nothing from the Councillor's who live down the street? Impressive

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Hope that anyone who made any sort of negative comment on this gets all this noise in their houses. Thats all...... such idiots

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JimtoJune 4th.

But we used the thing between our ears and chose locations and building where we won't be disturbed. So we can go out at night and enjoy what the City has to offer, before going home to a peaceful nights rest. The choice is all yours.

RMMANCJune 4th.

aah the old "don't move into the city and then complain about noise" comment. Once again, totally missing the point of this whole situation...

AnonymousJune 4th.

But that is the whole point. People move next to an established music venue. That venue then might get bigger, or close, or get noisier but probably won't stay exactly the same. This is NIMBYism of the highest order. Move to the countryside if you want peace and quiet.

RMMANCJune 4th.

So because it is there first, N&D can do what it wants and everybody who lives in that area, even if they have been there 12 years, should say nothing? At what point are you going to realise that none of the NQ residents are screaming for "peace and quiet". How would N&D turning down the volume/bass to what it was before actually affect YOU?

AnonymousJune 4th.

Pretty much, yes. They've been there a lot longer than 12 years. Sorry to be blunt but it's only fair that they are allowed to run their business to generate the most income then that is up to them. If they think that the gig-goers want to have loud music then they'll do it. People can't preserve things as they are, and it's not just city-centre dwellers (although you are probably the most extreme, along with next-door-to-airport-complainers), people in the suburbs complain when fields get built on. conveniently forgetting that their house was built on a field a couple of years before.

RMMANCJune 4th.

Well then we will just have to agree to disagree. I do not believe venues like N&D should be allowed to act without any restrictions and drive out the residents from the area. Other venues in the area are not behaving in this way. Other venues like Band on the Wall work with the community rather than against them.

ShybaldbuddhistJune 4th.

So every single person in the country who lives near a pub,club, live music venue or labour/liberal/cons club can't complain if they suddenly start pumping music out twice as loud as they did when you originally moved in?

AnonymousJune 4th.

We will agree to disagree - my last two points have to be this; 1. N&D should not be the ones driven out from the area (although I fully agree they should compromise but it appears there are pretty entrenched and unreasonable positions on all sides), and, 2. you chose to move to that location....you should hav ethough about this before moving in.

AnonymousJune 4th.

In response to your two points; 1. N&D are not being driven out of the area. How is asking them to work with the council & residents to resolve the matter instead of fighting everyone, unreasonable? It has been pointed out that this could be, quite simply, a case of them just turning down the base a little. It would reduce the distance traveled by the sound and you probably wouldn't even notice the difference in the bar. 2. Unfortunately my psychic abilities were on the blink when I moved in and I didn't foresee that 6 months later they would turn the volume up to such an extent it was causing the walls and floors to vibrate.

RMMANCJune 4th.

Last comment was me. The site keeps defaulting to anonymous ... which is kind of annoying Manchester Confidential #justsaying

AnonymousJune 3rd.

Think its disgusting that theres people who condone such an invasion of privacy. Also that amount of noise could lead to psychological stress. I feel so sickened. Hope the law sees sense and closes it

AnonymousJune 3rd.

I'm surprised major artists don't perform acoustic sets out of protest.

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JimtoJune 4th.

I moved next to an airport and I've found it difficult to sleep. That new Airbus is really noisy, i'm surprised the captains don't ground the planes out of protest.

Ghostly TomJune 4th.

I live by the M62 can you close it while I have my quiet time?

ShybaldbuddhistJune 4th.

The argument that you can't complain because you live in town is stupid. I bought my house out of the town centre knowing there was a pub round the corner from me and what that meant in terms of noise. If they suddenly install a new sound system and turn the volume up 4 or 5 notches so I can hear every song word for word night after night, do I not have any grounds to complain? Of course I do. The same rights apply to those living in town. The people who run The Ritz, The Soup Kitchen and other live music venues work with the people who live close to them so why can't N&D do the same? They are getting a lot of negative publicity from this.

AnonymousJune 4th.

You just know that some of these anonymous comments attacking the residents are probably coming from Gareth Butterworth at Night and Day cafe bar

AnonymousJune 4th.

This issue highlights the ineptitude of Building Control & the Planning Department in Manchester, who fail to hold developers to account or demand even a notion of best practice or high quality. It’s like they’ve learnt nothing from the post-war planning which continues to blight the city, fails to attract a broader and wealthier demographic, ultimately acting as an economic barrier to further investment and genuine regeneration of the city centre. The MCC mantra that ALL development is GOOD development is continued folly.

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GimboidJune 6th.

Are you living in a parallel world where billions in investment, thousands of wealthier people, and dozens of major businesses HAVEN'T been brought into the city centre over the last 20 years? Because that is what has happened in reality.

AnonymousJune 6th.

Never read so much bullshit in my whole life. Your a sad sad man that needs to get a grip and a life. One day you'll clock on that no gives a shit about what you think and your sad Pathetic rants have got you nowhere and has left you hated.

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AnonymousJune 7th.

It is "you're" ... as in... you're a stupid angry troll with nothing better to do than throw abuse at people on news sites. I bet you are the manager of Night & Day...

AnonymousJune 7th.

Why is one guy just having a chat with himself through this whole discussion and pretending to be different people?! Sap.

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AnonymousJune 7th.

Posting sad comments at 4:40am, attacking the people who live near Night and Day, looks more like you are the sap. You stupidly think all the different accounts with different names on the residents side are just one person? and I bet you think all the angry, rude anonymous account on Night and Day's side are all different people.

AnonymousJune 23rd.

I was bored in the airport and come across this drivel. So not so sad posting comments at 4.40am when you waiting to get on a plane. All you arguments so the same?! Just read all the same nonsense over and over again. It's boring.

AnonymousJune 23rd.

Sound*

AnonymousJune 18th.

Environmental health department assuming its still in existence, should be onto this taking appropriate action with the club and nearby residents so as to jointly reduce decibels to a legally safe level. Why on earth do people choose to live in the vicinity of a music venue is baffling anyway, you cannot have it both ways. That said, there is a shortage of good sound engineers in this city who can safely control levels whilst retaining good audio quality. Its obvious when pubs and clubs are employing students rather than experienced professionals, a couple of venues in this city have this issue not just N&D. Its not fair on the bands selling the "louder is better" vibe either. The last potentially good band I saw there was so poorly engineered and far too loud that I left halfway.

NickNameJuly 14th.

I wish i hadn't signed it. Feel like I got hoodwinked by the people at N&D. Why do people not understand the point of view of the residents? Saying if you live in the City centre its your own fault is stupid. If you bought a house in Cheadle Hulme or Bramhall, and the little pub down the road that does karaoke on a Sunday upgraded all its equipment 10 years later and started upping the volume to levels that made your walls shake, you'd have grounds to complain. It's no different. The Volume has gone up to a level that's not allowed be it Ancoats or Ardwick, Bramhall or Bury. Night & Day are breaking laws.

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