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Police Show Restraint....But Not In This YouTube Clip

Would people like to see more of this treatment of the thugs who terrorised Manchester? Or is the restrained way best?

Published on August 10th 2011.


Police Show Restraint....But Not In This YouTube Clip

"Why didn't you go in hard and break some heads?" Confidential asked Assistant Chief Constable Gary Shewan, at the police and council meeting this morning. "Many people in Manchester are wondering why you just seemed to stand off the thugs who were smashing the city."

"Breaking heads is not how we police," said Shewan. "It's not how we've been policing for many years. We kept to the powers we had. And if we had resorted to violence then we would have lowered ourselves to their level and maybe made the problem worse."

That answer won't satisfy many in Manchester. 

And it also seems that not all the police were getting that message. Take a look at this You Tube clip here taken on Store Street behind Piccadilly Station.

Many in Manchester will feel that one or two youths on this clip got there just desserts here. 

Across the city centre though, in our view, we were impressed with the police. Their restraint was admirable. They were brave in the face of rioters who clearly had no respect for authority or themselves or their city.

Shewan claimed that over the course of the evening and night in the city centre there had been as many as 800 officers on duty. This doesn’t answer how many there were at any given moment. We never saw more than sixty or so officers.

The police facts in full

GMP has now arrested 113 people in total. The vast majority were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage while around 17 were arrested for public order offences. They are aged between 15 and 58.

Of those arrested there were 105 on North Manchester division, mainly the city centre, three in Salford, three in Bury, one in Bolton and one in South Manchester. Seven of those detained were under 18.

GMP was called to 800 incidents in the city centre from 6pm onwards and around 130 in Salford from 5pm onwards.

More than 1,000 officers supported by neighbourhood staff took part in the operation, including a number of mutual aid officers from other forces.

Ten officers were injured in the line of duty, one of which suffered a suspected broken ankle.

Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue reported 155 fires across the city centre and Salford, all of which have now been extinguished. Around 100 premises across the cities have been seriously damaged and a number of police vehicles were damaged.

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114 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

craigAugust 10th 2011.

If they didnt like the medicine being given out, they shouldnt have been around.

the Whalley RangerAugust 10th 2011.

interesting

James PetersAugust 10th 2011.

I don't like to see this but I sort of want them to do it. I think that's a problem. Heavy handed policing - state enforcement - looks bad yet it does its work in defending us. But with CCTV and phone cameras everywhere the police have to do it in full view and that looks somehow wrong. It's a contradiction that's hard to solve.

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CBAugust 10th 2011.

great point James. Didn't the original 80's riots (inc Moss Side) kick off because of routine behaivour like this?

Just shows that maybe this doesn't 'prevent' riots, it can also be a cause. Although for behaivour like we saw yesterday - I like to think I few responsible got skulled.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

big difference between the old style of cracking skulls as you were a thug copper and handing out a heavy handed clip as was seen here, these shits got everything they deserved, pity it wasn't more actually. The police separate UTD and City mobs every weekend especially when we play each other, and these are tasty lads, not little shits, if a copper can hand it out in these situations, why did they not on this occasion? I recall the old 'robo cop' outfit cops, who you did not mess with as they were up for it as much as the footie fans, why were these not deployed?

Kerry MossAugust 11th 2011.

here here

AndrewAugust 10th 2011.

Ah yes the Mel's the world with their cliched arguments and ideas. I agree with James, it's ugly seeing this clip but it's a part of policing I probably would have preferred more of last night. One proper charge and the whole thing might have been nipped in the bud.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

....and liberal mamby pamby thinking is exactly why we are where we are now, so Tristran from Hale, take a walk around an inner city estate, actually live there and experience the 'poor' peoples lives, you may realise that liberal ways will not work with these feral rats...yes i do originate from one, but was clever enough to escape, so i do know what i am talking about...

Un DhimmiAugust 10th 2011.

They're not supposed to be there to be 'restrained', nor are they there to be 'brave in the face' of the 'rioters'.

They're supposed to be there to remove these lowlife feral scum from the streets.

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

This is how Police should react every single time cos this kids just not respecting anybody and nothing, big A+ for this police men from youtube clip. Rest of them should do this same and show these board kids where is their place. Somebody should take control of these kids and teenagers cos their not respecting teachers, parents and city where they actually living!!!! BIG A+ for Police!!!!

TE HulmeAugust 10th 2011.

Oh dear, Manchester Confidential, you're going to get lots of crazies on now.

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

....Olimpic is coming soon and last night whole world could watch they evening news how english kids took control of our citys...joke and massive embarrassment ! Simply Shame. Police should be harder and if somebody will still have problem then should have trip to Europe and see how hard Police is over there and believe me they don't care if you are under age or no because they will just take you down by gas or rubber bullets...just check Poland...you can't even cross road on red light!

AudreyAugust 10th 2011.

We have pussyfooted around these kids for too long, youths have always enjoyed a bit of taunting, brawling, teasing and cat and mouse. Social networking just means they can congregate on a much bigger scale. Our Police force has been removed and replaced with a service and they have had there powers removed. This is the sort of punishment I would have endured in the 70's and it was rough but everyone knew where they stood and we still respected the Police despite the ACAB tattoo's :) Its simple if we don't resort to giving these idiot street rats a good clout then we run the risk of letting them run amok and all over our towns and cities.
It's about time we were allowed to speak our minds and our Police/Judges/Law were employed to protect the innocent this might just be the catalyst we need to get our house back in order.

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

...next time we all should stand up together and do this what Police can't do it because they just not aloud , we r all should go and defend our lovely city of Manchester and show these kids where is they place and teach them respect...I a

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

problem is W, we cannot do this either, nor the teachers nor anybody else, sit on a bus or tram or anywhere else and see them stick out that chin that you cannot touch just to taunt you, maybe we will see some change now...

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

W, I agree with you. For too long now our society has turned a blind eye to criminal behaviour don't want to get involved. That has to stop and we need to get involved and help Police our communities. Not just this week but forever more.

GlenAugust 10th 2011.

I agree that we should all stand and defend our great City otherwise this low-life minority will win. Yes, it's a scary thought to face them out especially because their randomness and unpredictability means that we don't know what else they are capable of doing when faced with opposition of a different sort. However, the Police alone can't be expected to bring this situation under control.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

there rioting scum should be castrated and not allowed to breed to stop the propogation of a corrupt gene pool.

tAugust 10th 2011.

C'mon folks, aren't we better than an eye for an eye?

I don't see how promoting giving violent youths 'a kicking' is going to solve anything, let's teach them a lesson yeah, but not that violence begets violence.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Nice sentiment but that's exactly why we've got the sick society we have.

MaggieAugust 10th 2011.

Tristan, if nothing else, at least the little thug knows that there are consequences to their actions. Yobs are not concerned about getting an ASBO, we will not be jailing 10 - 17 year olds for public order offences, the criminal justice system will ask to them think about how naughty they have been. A good trashing is at least swift and vicious - just hope the cops don't get diciplined or charged for it!

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

ihe he.... just called someone else Tristran from Hale, sorry other guy, the liberal head up his arse, never set foot on a council estate in his life and therefore has no idea about 'life' on there and how to treat them tristan is here, Shameless is a comedy version, without the real hard hitting edge of council estate life...
Please educate us on how you would teach them a lesson...i am all ears (or eyes)

tAugust 10th 2011.

No idea to be honest, but these kids are from another generation to us and they just don't care, if we respond to violence with violence they'll react with more. I don't think we've seen anything yet.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

and what would you do Tristan-sit them on the naughty step?.............

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

I've been hard child too, been in gang in past and did lots of bad things for money but never hurt anybody and this kids are just board and i feeling sick when i looked what they did to our town...they not gangsta or even any gang because real gangsta hav style and brain to think and make money and this kids are just poor clowns and loosers without any brain which they need some new clothes to their clown act for each day ...in past all been different....and please don't call them names like gang because this is disgraceful and not right!

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Real 'gangsta 'have style. Priceless.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Gary Shewin and Theresa May should be ashamed of themselves. Apart from the police in this clip they've created a Standby Police Force. If they stand by and let businesses, cars, shops, whatever, get trashed they know CTV will provide the evidence for a prosection the next day.
If they stop it happening they can't prosecute.
They're not a police force they're a CTV Response Force.
Preventative Policing is dead.
Frontline police must be pulling their hair out in frustration at this approach and thanks to the guys in this clip for getting stuck in........ More please.

Linda BentAugust 10th 2011.

Well done the Manchester police force, this is what was needed from the start, Yes it is hard to watch this clip, but if the gangs go out with the intent of causing trouble and looting they should expect to get trouble back. These people have lost all respect for authority, to many human right laws make them think they are untouchable. What about the human rights of law abiding people who are frightened to go out in the streets, what about the rights of business owner who have the right to have work hard and try making a good life for themselves. We should stop being so soft and politcaly correct and take a look at some of the firmer countries who wouldn't have stood by and let things go on for 4 days and spread across the country.

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VenumAugust 10th 2011.

This wot i talking about girl....well spoken!!! We are just to soft and this idiots clown kids feeling untouchable....

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

God help them if they will try again...nobody will stop me to teach them lesson and respect...!!

Simon SmithAugust 10th 2011.

I'd rather pay slightly higher insurance premiums than pay a lot more for a police force which could have prevented this supericial damage to a few shops.

Who goes to shops any more anyway? Haven't people heard of the internet?

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GeorgeAugust 10th 2011.

This is what you call English humour? Yes?

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Simon, you are an idiot

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

you sir are a knob.....

GeorgeAugust 10th 2011.

As an outsider I am very impressed with your police and scandalized with your government and politicians. They allowed this impossible situation to build up for 40 years with unmanaged (not mismanaged) immigration. They put your police in an impossible situation and the police performed superbly. Would be nice if those in charge accept responsability for the mess.

Good luck. I have no idea how you are going to put the genie back in the bottle.

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MaggieAugust 10th 2011.

George, I salute you X

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

What's immigration got to do with it?

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

These scumbags are going to grow up one day. Many of them will become Fathers and Mothers themselves and have their own kids. Some of them will even become shopkeepers. All of them will have what happened on their conscience for the rest of their lives.

What these kids did last night was nothing short of horrible. It kills people's livelihoods and hurts trade as people fear to drive into Manchester in the evening in case their cars are set on fire or they themselves are attacked or robbed.

If the police are allowed to use real bullets on looters, thieves and joyriders, it would really take the 'joy' out of the crimes. Would kids want to rob a shop if it meant ending up in hospital followed by time in the slammer? Thought not.

craigAugust 10th 2011.

Why not use big nets deployed from the rooftops of buildings, cartoon style? Why I oughta

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

Now Police should use CCTV and catch them all and all this kids and teenagers or their parents should pay for all this damage and if they can't or to young UK should create for them some kind of army camp and teach them there respect, hard work and discipline... and make them cry!!!!

Hero
The LiquoristsAugust 10th 2011.

POW!! Right in the Kisser!!

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Angela DunnAugust 11th 2011.

hahahaa

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Oh what a mess, impotent police force, corrupt legal system, shame they didnt trash the livelihoods of the real culprits: the bankers and greedy human rights lawyers all living in their leafy gated communties in Cheshire suburbs and beyond gleefully rubbing their hands knowing their scrote clients will be calling them soon on speeddial. You will hear nothing of the bankers who have caused all this rioting and social division. Cameron, Clegg and Osborne (and before them the Blairs Prescott etc) will continue to court the bankers in their european villas and the chess pieces will continue to be moved by the invisible dividing hand. All of the media coverage is a result of financial vandalism caused by a handful of bankers who areprotected by all of the political parties red blue and yellow. Oh what did we expect unfettered capitalism, uncapped immigration receipe for disaster been brewing for a few years this, thanks Mr Blair! Hope you and your wife rot in hell. Wheres our leaders here in Manchester wheres Leese, Bernstein and GMP Chief Peter Fahy? I see they havent spoken out yet? and cut their luxury holidays short? probably all in the same villa on a freebie! Sack the lot under a vote of no confidence and start again. Useless beyond belief.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

I guess someone on here was bound to blame government, bankers etc and not remember the rule is 'take responsibility for your own actions', live by the sword die by the sword.

slouchAugust 10th 2011.

Anon, this wasn't a protest by a disenfranchised youth, it was a bunch of feral scrotes out to get a few new pairs of trainers, Uggs and a few bottles from Lidl. Jesus, who would even consider looting Lidl but a bunch of no marks.

The economic crisis is only affecting those of us who actually get off our arses and work for a living. The last time I checked the state couldn't make someone on JSA redundant or cut their hours or their pay.

James GillAugust 10th 2011.

As much as I think the restraint showed by the GMP was the correct action, as I feel that a hard hand would have escalated the situation, I also raised a wry smile at this clip. The officers were obviously 'away from the cameras' (read 'press') and showed that they are not scared to take a tough stance where required. It is unlikely that any single officer will get in trouble for this as I doubt they could be identified and in all honesty, I think pretty much everybody wanted to see a little bit of rough justice meted out to the little sh*ts that smashed our great city up yesterday.Well done GMP.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

I think you will find that if the CK numbers on their helmets are visible then the officers will be tracked down, particularly when poor ikkle Delroy, Tyrone and Candice tell their outraged Chav parents that the nasty police officer smacked them....the smell of compensation money will have them hotfooting it to their personal solicitors

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

Check this out....I believe everybody remember post from yestarday evening UPDATE 19:02 where we all could read: "...All the shops and restaurants in town are closed except one..."guess what, this one what was open was The Restaurant Bar & Grill on John Dalton St....just why?...all town kicked off and was so dangerous to stay open be around...what about their staff?!...feeling sorry for them...hope they all ok....just why? why? silly or simply greedy for money?....hahahaha.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

This is exactly what needs to be happening...these kids see themseleves as being untouchable by the police. They need to be taught some lessons.

If I were priminister I would put them all on a plane and send them to work in war zones, afterall, thats what they are trying to create in our cities.

It makes me feel sick that these absolute mindless, stupid idiots have no idea what it is they are fighting for.

I wish the police would beat up every single one of them.

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VenumAugust 10th 2011.

Me too and i will help Police for free...

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Watched for hours from my balcony and surprised the the feds didn't move in on numerours occasions when they had the chance. They seemed to be just letting them wander about with impunity.

Knew that Dawsons had been robbed as would never normally see 5/6 scallies carrying guitars around.

My "priceless" moment was watching some scum stash their loot (bottles of spirts) under a traffic cone. Passer by saw, waited for them to go then took the goods and put it in a bin.... a wile later the scum came back and one was shouting "who's nicked my fcking booze?!"

HIS booze?! THE FCKING CHEEK.

Vigilante action tonight anyone?

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

has the u tube clip been removed??

Simon BinnsAugust 10th 2011.

No, it still seems to be working ok

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

I have many friends in the police force that are frustrated by the way in which they have had to handle this situation but i do ask myself what more can they do? Last night was simply a cat and mouse game and i think that we over estimate the ability of what actually can be done with this type of behaviour. So I actually commend the police that took a harsher approach. With the IPCC investigating every single movement it is harder for the police to carry out their jobs. I think the government need to state that robust force must be used when needed.
I have to say that i am utterly disgusted to have walked the streets and shared the cities facilities with the people that wreaked such havoc last night. I understand that people are frustrated with the government’s cuts etc but this last night showed nothing that sheer brutality and criminality. These ‘youths’ terrorised the shops and streets of Manchester which is simply unacceptable. They have no respect for the place in which they live, for the people they share the community with and their parents should be ashamed. The facts are simple, there is limited employment but do they honestly think that their behaviour last night, tonight and for however long it will continue will get them employment? When in fact a lot of them have shown their faces to camera, a lot will be arrested, if not now later down the line which makes them unemployable at all.
The actions of some have made a whole generation be tarnished with the same brush and to every employer within this city and indeed the country do they think that this age group is going to be at all attractive to employ? I cannot stand this blame culture we live in. primary and secondary education is a gift in this country and it should be valued. Yes university is expensive but there are huge amounts of apprentice schemes out there which can be taken advantage of, it seems that if something is not handed on silver plate then they choose not to do anything with it the opportunities that surround them – people are quite simply a bit lazier nowadays. I grew up in a council estate in salford and my dad chucked me out the house every Saturday and said find a job, ‘you want treats and nice things go and earn it’ I didn’t go to university and i didn’t do well at school but i found employment through an apprentice scheme and i now have a good job. To get on a different path is not hard and yes maybe the values that my parents installed helped me along. The fact is I grew up in Salford as it is my home – yet after last night i am a lot less proud to say so.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

We would all like to see more youth of Salford with this attitude shown above. Well done to you and your parents, fantastic values. Communities are better for people like you and your parents.

JohnthebriefAugust 10th 2011.

I'm afraid I have no confidence whatsoever in Mr Shewin. On occasions like this I do not want a social worker worried about sinking to the same levels as the criminals, I want a police force which will enforce the law and protect lives and property. The way in which the rioters were permitted - at least in the early stages - to attack properties with impunity while the police stood off and watched was simply disgraceful, and encouraged them to believe that, as so often, there would be no consequences for their actions. This is a failure of management by people like Mr Shewin who simply seem to be in the wrong job.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Time to out-source our civil defence? I'd favour the Chinese.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

what i saw round tib street was organised gangs in cars and with mobiles keeping one jump ahead of the police and systematically selecting and smashing shops while their lookouts gave them advance warning of any police approaching.
It's was a shameful day for the city and evidence that the kid glove political correctness approach pushed in our faces for so long has created a selfish "me" generation with no respect or empathy for the community they live in.

SimmoAugust 10th 2011.

Kids today have no respect for property or life, any excuse to steal loot rob and mug. Parents are to blame for having no control, if they are on the streets acting the way they have been doing then some instant punishment needs to be handed out bring back Police 'FORCE' not service

Simmo shared this on Facebook on August 10th 2011.
Jonathan Schofield - editorAugust 10th 2011.

Simmo, are you mad? 'Kids' - all of them? My fourteen year old and my nineteen year old were at home. And they were in no way responsible for any trouble in the city, nor were tens of thousands of other kids. Shewan this morning talked of a thousand youths in the city centre. Your generalisation is massively wide of the mark.

Chris GrimesAugust 10th 2011.

There was a real mixed age range most i would say were between 15-21. There were some kids younger, but However there was also a large older crowd 25+ leading them

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Sweeping Generalisations dont help either eh? :)

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

My girlfriend just called and said that Police advase her office boss that will be good if everybody will finish work at 4:30pm leave town and go home because apparently more kids showned around Printwork....I am so sick about this situation and this stupid clown kids! Manchester Men- lets stand up together, lets go to our City Centre and defend our Manchester...lets kick the sh*t out of these kids and teach them right lesson and respect!!!!

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Chris-afortunadoAugust 10th 2011.

I'm with you mate. Rightly or wrongly, I'm not having any more.

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Perhaps it's time for the parents to take back the city by standing together as a united manchester and stopping these feral kids rather than planning kicking the shit out of anyone eh? I'm sure thats the more sensible idea and shows the kids that actually communities coming together as one is far more superior than there egos?

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

What parents? If you're talking about the parents of these twats, no chance. They're as bad, if not worse than their offspring - why do you ink they behave the way they do? It's certainly not through parental guidance or discipline.

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

open eyes mate...this kids don't care about communites and rules...are you blind? What are you talking about...their parents?! Joke...wake up!

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Oh by the way in case anyones interested they have arrested an 18yr old lad for starting the fire in miss selfridges

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Chris BamfordAugust 10th 2011.

good news

Pi55ed OffAugust 10th 2011.

Guess is it going to be down to the hard earning honest tax payers again to have the pay to clear up the mess that the underclass have made for the copycat looting. Why do they always think that society owes them something, get off your lazt ars*s and work for a living, pay for your own stuff like the rest of us have to. I am sick of paying my taxes to support these idiots who have no respect for their city or the country that supports them. What is the worst that is going to happen, they'll get a slap on the wrist or at most a criminal record, that want bother the likes of these people causing trouble as they have no aspirations to be anything other than theives and a drain on society. Harder action needs to be taken and they need to pay the price for once!

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AnonymousAugust 11th 2011.

Too right

DiceretroAugust 10th 2011.

Down with this sort of thing!

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

The decent parents across greater manchester i meant! the ones who actually care not the numpties who let there kids run wild across the streets

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VenumAugust 10th 2011.

I believe at the moment you could count this decent parents across manchester on both hands only because not many of them actully left...This clown no brain idiots kids-hooligans should be punish very badly but at the moment somebody should actually kick the sh*t out of them because sa far they just laughing because we are all to soft!

ReppacAugust 10th 2011.

these lil twonks don't know how they good they have it. I've been fortunate enough to see a bit of the world and its not easy outside the luxurious social setting of England.
12 year olds ferrying workers across a harbour in a row boat for a few pence a time in Morocco.
Families sleeping under bushes in Korea.
Makeshift shops in railway lines that dissemble when the train comes, back into the home that resides a foot form the track.
And in China, at 7:30am I watched a tent moving about and unzipping. A man stepped out in a dishevelled suit, splashing water on his face from a dirty bottle. He stood up and tried to straighten the suit and his wife adjusted his tie before he stepped out to work.

Self worth, pride, honesty and hard work. No JSA, no housing benefit and no urge to loot.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Couldn't agree more. Alas, we now live in a society eager for instant self-gratification and overnight fame and riches minus the effort and hard work

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Completely agree with you, is it just me or does anyone else see the British way of living turning into an American way of living?

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Our nod to the Yank's way of life has been going on probably since the 50s - soap operas, TV dinners, 24-hour TV, cheap consumables, cheap, fast food. It's depressing. That said, I love to visit the USA

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

If Indian communites can stand up and defend their propeties together why we can't?!

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

After reading your posts on this thread you sound more like a vigalante than a concerned parent and your actions i imagine would cause more problems than help! I'm all for defending my property and helping others do the same but at what point does helping stop and vigilante behaviours begin?

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

Some news saying people of Manchester meeting at Piccadale Garden to stand up and star defending our City...lets take the power in our hands!!!!

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

Because i am so tired about this all situation and this kids just not listning anymore....

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Theres a lot of us fed up with this situation but turning into a vigilante overnight doesnt help now does it?

VenumAugust 10th 2011.

So enjoy watching your next TV news

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Classic armchair hero!

Lorraine ByrneAugust 10th 2011.

Beat the crap out of them!! They weren't thinking about law abiding citizens when they were destroying people's livlihoods!!!! Cover them in indelible yellow dye and parade them though the streets like the cowards they are!!!!!

Hero
MikeAugust 10th 2011.

Rubber bullets and tear gas tonight please. Warn everyone to get off the streets, if they don't on their heads be it

Duke FameAugust 10th 2011.

I'm reading daft excuses for the violence yesterday. I think these people need a reality check before coming out with such rubbish such as the rioters are "frustrated with the government’s cuts".

If they are frustrated with the loss of the EMA, get a paper round, it they are frustrated by the lack of recycling officers, take more care over rubbish, if they are frustrated over having less librarians, learn to use the Dewey Decimal Classification system and if you are frustrated about losing a Nucleur Free secretariat in Manchester, not to worry, your council leaders consider that a major prioity.

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AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

hahahahahaha

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

To be fair all the answers these kids are giving is 'government cuts' simply because they have no reason to be doing it and they dont have the brains to think of anything for themselves and its no doubt something they heard some other numpty say ..

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

The Kaiser Chief's new about this 6 years ago and tried to warn us all by singing about it.....then they warned us about The Angry Mob. We can't say we weren't warned!

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Hero
Mark GarnerAugust 10th 2011.

It wasn't an "Angry Mob" it was a bunch of scrotes on a night out...

David MooresAugust 10th 2011.

Well done to the police, doing something right at last. If the had gone in hard against these little shits at the start there wouldn't have been copycat riots. If they're old enough to do the crime they're old enough to take the kicking they deserve.

Antonia WrightAugust 10th 2011.

the police need to take this firm stance every tme and not stand off

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Really didn't like what I saw here - yes, these thugs and low-lifes should be reprimanded for what they are doing. There's no excuse for the behaviour they have shown. However, from the video shown, it looked as if the police were battering someone who hadn't a chance in defending himself - what if they got the wrong person? There's no need for violence, no matter what the reason...it only fuels more violence in return. Yes the police need to be forceful in getting hold of these thugs but only when necessary (such as if under attack). However, I believe that all these riots have been spurred on by the fact the news have been broadcasting everything. Without the media's interference, perhaps the world wouldn't have known about the initial protests and it wouldn't have escalated to what it is today....

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J GrayAugust 12th 2011.

You make a very important point. Sensible people would have stayed home, not be out riding around. But no evidence on the clip that they's done anything wrong.
Agree about media too but, even if news channels hadn't spread it worldwide, it would still have gone ww on YouTube etc.
We all feel angry at what these people have done to our City but responding to violence, looting etc with violence is not the answer- that will only make them more resentful, and then it could spread nation-wide.
And get hijacked by all sorts of factions. That's a road to civil war. I hope that's not where we're headed.

YvonneAugust 10th 2011.

Get in !!!

AnonymousAugust 10th 2011.

Maybe we should detain those who claim to have a political motive as 'Terrorists'. Terrorism is defined as "systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political ends". Terrorism laws I think mean they can be detained in a cell for longer and longer sentences.

user4451August 10th 2011.

This is a war that society has been loosing for the last 30 years. we do not need knee jerk reactions we need long term solutions that respect the rights of the community over the individual. We need a modern justice system, not one from the 17th century and we need criminals punished, rehabilitated, taught the value of hard work and how to be an active member of society. Unfortunately we do not have a society capable of doing this, so we get what we deserve for our apathy! Don’t criticise the police unless you are prepared to put yourself in their situation.

AnonymousAugust 11th 2011.

I think that despite good intentions the government, through convoluted schemes and incentives, have played their part in giving the degenerates too much scope to keep damaging our society. Sadly, some people grow up in desperate environments where the norms of society and community don't apply or aren't taught. When these people behave like animals I believe that they will only respond to similarly animalistic justice. Logic and reason no longer apply. It's desperately sad that these angry, uneducated, mentorless, apathetic kids are a product of our generation (the parents of these kids should clearly also shoulder most of the blame). What concerns me now is that we may well be making the same mistakes as have been made in the States by fighting anger with anger. I don't want to live in a Britain where it's accepted that both the police and the gangs carry guns. I'd hope that we're smarter than that, and that it's not too late to repair the problems at root cause instead of looking for whatever gets the most votes come election time.

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AnonymousAugust 12th 2011.

I've read the whole of these comments tonight and what they tell me is that we might be on the point of something very dangerous. Yes we are all angry, very angry, at those that challenged our decent way of life. I am one. And we want them to pay for it. And they will. But please, those of us who can see beyond the short term, lets not be talking about what amounts to taking the law into our own hands. That will add fuel to the fire.

AnonymousAugust 11th 2011.

That's what this country needs, a good beating.
I hope those kids are disabled for life, scumbags.

AnonymousAugust 11th 2011.

I have read these officers are being investigated because of this.

What a joke! Not surprised town was ransacked because the little shits know all too well that we are a soft touch. They need to be shown they can't get away with things like this and if that means using force then so be it. The country/law is a soft touch and the scrotes know it.

As for anonymous 5.58pm comment - for most of the night the police did what you suggest, look where that got them.

Phil MurphyAugust 11th 2011.

What does it teach the kids?

It teaches them that violence is acceptable, is that what we want them to learn?

Is that how low we want to go ourselves, because when it becomes acceptable, that's where we'll find we are, in a violent society.

AnonymousAugust 11th 2011.

The law needs to change so that anyone who is a danger to society basically waives their human rights.

Rapists, paeodphiles, murderers, muggers, thugs, terrorists and now these vile little street rats - what deterrant have they got when pathetic sentences are handed out.

I've seen people put away for much longer for basically selling a bit of weed or pills to their friends - what harm were they actually doing to anyone? Yes they broke the law but the law needs to be overhauled so that a threat to society, human (or indeed animal) life and property is the ultimate in harsh sentences.

Stop wasting prison space on people with minor drug offences and give them a hefty fine instead (it's enough of a deterrant for most people who use drugs recreationally for a good time that affects no-one else).

My personal opinion is to decriminalise most drugs anyway, policy resources are clearly better needed elsewhere, but that's not going to happen.

And going back to those who violated their human rights, they should be sterilised so that they can't inflict further generations onto society..

Then if they reoffend they should be paralised (or euthanised).

Harsh, but fair and totally necessary.

People would soon learn right from wrong if this was how the legal system worked.

naja2011August 12th 2011.

Nice to see that a fuller version, than the edited Youtube version of earlier today, is shown. What is clear from viewing the whole vid is that the youths on cycles, and a number of others on foot have been pursued along that street by one Police unit whilst another successfully carried out a flanking manoeuvre. The Police will not have just been bimbling around and then simply decided to 'pick' on these 'innocent' youths that they found having an 'o dark hundred hours' charity bike ride.
They know what they were doing and they got caught. Summary justice and very restrained at that, 7 baton strikes all of which appear to be to approved 'hit' areas. This could hardly be describe as a beating. Ever taken a beating? I have and believe me this is not a beating.

I note the comments made at 'Yesterday morning at 9:55 AM' from the Guardian Reader stating that they had seen these three all night and that they needed a good kicking,...eyewitness account, that will do me. Well they didn't get it but they got a few whacks on the body and legs with a plastic stick.

I also note the reply from Anon "Nothing excuses assaults by police. And let's not forget it's that racist corrupt Met who started this".
Well I'm sorry but you need to look up the legal definition of an assault because you can actually assault someone without even touching them. If we stick to your rules the Police will be guilty even if they only run at them.
With regard to the Met shooting someone who had a gun being the reason why all these people suddenly felt the need to go out and steal whatever they liked and damage whatever they liked. Please be real!
And let's wait for the result of the enquiry into the shooting before we apportion blame, if any, in respect of whether the shoot was justified or not.
Also stated in respect of the Police " They are not there to hand out punishment to people they've decided are guilty". ..... but you can decide who is guilty hey? Glad there's no conflict there then!

If there is a witch hunt over this it will not get the Public the Police Force it deserves, one that is firm but fair, all that will happen is a continuance of the current situation where Police Officers will be afraid to take firm action for fear of losing their jobs. I've seen vids in the last few days that clearly showed Police Officers holding back from doing things that they are legally and rightfully, on our behalf, empowered to do and there could really be only one reason for that... fear of hearing the cries of the 'you shouldn't have done that you should have done it another way' Brigade and fear of the consequences.
When in doubt do nothing is not good enough.

It's not about military or paramilitary states and all that bullshit, it's about 'Firm but Fair' ...Laws and Disorder or Law and Order, simple.

J GrayAugust 12th 2011.

I've read the whole of these comments tonight and what they tell me is that we might be on the point of something very dangerous. Yes we are all angry, very angry, at those that challenged our decent way of life. I am one. And we want them to pay for it. And they will. But please, those of us who can see beyond the short term, lets not be talking about what amounts to taking the law into our own hands. That will add fuel to the fire.

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