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Weather forecast: extra mist for Salford

Greengate public realm scheme approved, here are some pics – let's get some swings and slides there instead

Date Published: 03/12/2009


A couple of months ago we mentioned the Greengate plans on the our architectural column (click here).

“Both the beacons and the fountains can emit mist. This will be in the form of a fine water vapour released at high pressure – think of those New York steam clouds coming out of the pavement. A whole show with lights and the mist can be created, programmed in on a computer.”

This article focussed on the decrepit state of Victoria Bridge, a grade II listed structure, shockingly neglected, and the original point of contact between Manchester and Salford.

The plans for the redevelopment of Greengate were mentioned. This is the area overlooked by Manchester Cathedral, extending under the railway arches to Trinity Way in Salford.

The plans for the public realm over this huge 13 hectare site have now been approved by both Manchester and Salford.

The scheme is worth £10.4million.

There are three phases with the first going on site in 2010 for completion in 2011. The second phase will then move northwest under the viaducts (where two thirds of the rail viaducts here and the properties on Chapel Street will be demolished) and the third phase of public realm concludes with a large ‘green’ square close to where Abito apartments stand on Greengate.

The latest ideas for the first phase are displayed here.

They include a new footbridge from Manchester Cathedral over the River Irwell into Salford and a landscaping scheme by Whitelaw Turkington.


Confidential talked Phase One through with Nick Putnam of Central Salford Urban Regeneration Company.

“We’re very happy with the plan,” he told us. “It has a range of features designed to grab attention of people on the Manchester side and pull them over the bridge, into Salford and the Greengate area. This first phase of public realm will provide a large public open space, which we will animate on various occasions with events, markets, music and so on. It will have fountains, seating and beacons. These will be lit in an exciting and attractive manner.”

Fair enough. The site presently has a particularly ugly car park planted on it. But there are issues.

The main one is why build another bridge?

There's a perfectly good bridge waiting for cleaning, de-planting and restoration less than 6m away from the proposed footbridge. It seems a weird decision to build this new structure when Victoria Bridge is crying out for attention.

“Victoria Bridge carries a lot of traffic and has narrow pavements,” says Putnam. “We want to create a sense of place for the new public realm and a dedicated introduction to the Greengate scheme. This will take people in a safe and attractive way straight into Greengate from the Manchester side.”


Not sure that makes a sufficient case to justify the expense, so we agree to differ. We move on to the Piccadilly Gardens look-alike fountains? Manchester has a terrible reputation for crocked fountains, spouts that seem to define themselves by not working.

“This isn't Manchester,” says Putnam. “We're putting in place a management company and there will be a dedicated officer to keep the fountains running day to day. This fountain is very different from Piccadilly too, with more fountain-heads, 36 of them. They have a whole array of different features including the ability to light them.”

We like fountains, so as long as they work they get a big Confidential thumbs up.

Now what are the awful cheap-looking metal structures that are getting in the way in these pictures?

Putnam describes them for us. “They're beacons. They're part of our plan for pulling people across the river into Salford. They can be lit and used for display, have projections thrown on to them as well. The illustration doesn't do the beacons justice perhaps.”

He pauses and then tells us the strange idea.

“Both the beacons and the fountains can emit mist. This will be in the form of a fine water vapour released at high pressure – think of those New York steam clouds coming out of the pavement. A whole show with lights and the mist can be created, programmed in by computer.”

Do we need to create mist in Salford, we ask?

“It looks spectacular,” says Putnam. “In hot weather it'll work particularly well. We have made the decision not to call the effect fog though,” he joshed.

Confidential isn't sure about the beacons at all. They look rubbish so let's hope that they don't get in the way or keep breaking down.

View to the public realm site from the Manchester side. Two thirds of the viaducts and the buildings directly in front will be demolished


The night time graphic shows kids playing in the fountains in the evening – obviously by 2011 global warming will have completely changed the climate. But this gives Confidential the excuse to raise one of its chief bugbears again.

The city centre – and the area bounded by Trinity Way in Salford is becoming effectively the city centre – needs a playground, a proper good one, as in Heaton Park. This site over the river from the main retail area of Manchester would be absolutely ideal. It would also complement the residential developments in Greengate.

We say forget the beacons and stuff the mist, bring us slides and swings. It would encourage families to stay longer in the city centre and guarantee revenue for cafes and bars in the pictured railway arches, whilst giving the exciting Greengate scheme a very human, very sympathetic introduction. The changes in the area are very much needed, but it will need constant animation to ensure the public realm doesn't look like dead space: a playground would provide that animation.


Eddy Rhead says..“ The buildings will be demolished, a few half hearted bits and bobs will be done, they will look rubbish, it will be a horrible, barren open space devoid of life, no-one will take responsibility for the upkeep of the area (or change the light bulbs) once the original money runs out. This is putting the cart before the horse. Instead of attracting and encouraging viable, sustainable development to the area and then developing the public realm around that development it seems Salford's scorched earth approach to 'regeneration' continues.

Aidan Turner-Bishop says..“ Oh dear! Everywhere has mini-fountains now. They're almost a badge of an area in decline especially when they break down. What is the design life of the stuff? Why not be radical and plant a wood or trees or an allotment there for a change? Better still, what about some affordable city centre housing?

Dave says..“ What's the year - 1973? They're demolishing some fine old buildings, the one little thing that draws my attention when I look in that direction today, and introducing a big empty flagged open space with some horrible cheap-looking features in it, and later on, a flat patch of grass? Great!

Private&Confidential says..“ Those beacons do look absolutely shit, I must say. Reminicient of the Millennium Square clutter (The Triangle's metal squiggles, that wretched Big Wheel).... Reminicient too of the triumph of technical gimmickery over aesthetics that is Piccadilly Gardens' intermittent, illuminated fountains (i.e. a dour, empty black granite oval most of the time).

Private&Confidential says..“ At the risk of this rant reading like the output of the assorted lunatics that inhabit the MEN readers' comments section, I feel obliged to balance my negativity with a genuine welcome for what is a pretty large investment in public realm - misgivings over beacons and building demolitions aside.

Cas says..“ Look at the first pic. I know Manchester council can be a bit left but they've called one of the shops 'Castro Coffee'.

Pedantry says..“ Cas it's in Salford not Manchester but you're right Salford's left wing as well.

Why not eh says..“ When you can't use real brand names, you might as well have a laugh. Be good if it were true, as, according to the Architectural visuals I've seen, there are also Castro Coffee's coming to Ashton and Rochdale....

Leeboy says..“ Why not incorporate the buildings into the plans as shops/visitor centres etc? There's NOTHING wrong with them. Surely this heritage should be celebrated rather than razed for a frankly shit, generic square. Piccadilly, Spinningfields, The Arndale etc - most of Manchester's newer developments are souless **** stains

Burt Codeine says..“ ...and facing four of my least favourite (verging on the hideous) buildings in Manchester: arndale tower; back end of Harvy Nicks (appalling - designed by the London branch of a certain architectural firm - thanks for that); the 70's carbuncle that is the renaissance hotel complex (ok, I know that's for the eventual chop) and that blinking 'needs-painting-once-a-month' premier travel inn tower... This is the area where Manchester city centre falls off the cliff and I wish them the very best of luck...but most of the above is spot on - there's simply nothing there to draw you to the area and another coffee shop (erm, costa, cafe nero I presume) ain't going to help. Have a look what gets the kids excited at Tatton Park, Bruntwood Park - a semi decent adventure park, however small, is the right tonic. They can barely look after the upkeep of Exchange Sq and Piccadilly never mind some off the beaten track area of town....arghh the spirit is dwindling from me...

O says..“ They should turn this area into a man made beach or a jungle with a waterfall. Failing that, we could do with a retail park with JJB Sports, Argos and Carphone Warehouse.

Anonymous says..“ Clearly something needs to be done to this area. I rarely get to that end of town but I was there yesterday and I was genuinely shocked at how horrible it is down there. The area needs linking in to the centre proper for sure - a fancy pedestrian bridge is probably the right starting point but I agree with all the comments above: some windswept litter strewn collection of cracked flag stones in 5-10 years time won't get us any further forward. I hope that cleaning and rendering the old bridge and the embankment are part of the plans. Manchester doesn't do rivers very well - it should do.

Anonymous says..“ What about a proper market there? Manchester seriously lacks one

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